Is Slab compatible with Energyplus?

asked 2018-06-18 17:27:35 -0600

mldichter
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updated 2018-06-19 17:57:41 -0600

I am trying to calculate the entries for the Site:GroundTemperature:BuildingSurface object. However, Slab only generates in_slab.ger which appears to have an error for every object in the idf file. The first few errors are:

Program Version,GroundTempCalc - Slab, Version .75
   ** Severe  ** IP: IDF line~10 Did not find "Version" in list of Objects
   ** Severe  ** IP: IDF line~16 Did not find "SimulationControl" in list of Objects
   ** Severe  ** IP: IDF line~26 Did not find "Building" in list of Objects
   ** Severe  ** IP: IDF line~39 Did not find "ShadowCalculation" in list of Objects
   ** Severe  ** IP: IDF line~47 Did not find "SurfaceConvectionAlgorithm:Inside" in list of Objects
   ** Severe  ** IP: IDF line~53 Did not find "SurfaceConvectionAlgorithm:Outside" in list of Objects
   ** Severe  ** IP: IDF line~59 Did not find "HeatBalanceAlgorithm" in list of Objects
   ** Severe  ** IP: IDF line~66 Did not find "ZoneAirHeatBalanceAlgorithm" in list of Objects
   ** Severe  ** IP: IDF line~72 Did not find "ZoneAirContaminantBalance" in list of Objects
   ** Severe  ** IP: IDF line~78 Did not find "ZoneCapacitanceMultiplier:ResearchSpecial" in list of Objects
   ** Severe  ** IP: IDF line~89 Did not find "Timestep" in list of Objects
   ** Severe  ** IP: IDF line~95 Did not find "ConvergenceLimits" in list of Objects
   ** Severe  ** IP: IDF line~105 Did not find "Site:Location" in list of Objects

Does Slab still work with the current version of Energyplus? There seems to be a few UnmetHours posts on how to do without Slab. Just "yes" or "no" would be great! Just want to know if I should move on to something else.

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Using the answer of @JasonGlazer,

Slab ran fine with 5ZoneAirCooledWithSlab.idf example file.

After a little experimenting, I was able to get my idf file to run slab by adding the following objects:

GroundHeatTransfer:Control
GroundHeatTransfer:Slab:Materials
GroundHeatTransfer:Slab:MatlProps
GroundHeatTransfer:Slab:BoundConds
GroundHeatTransfer:Slab:BldgProps
GroundHeatTransfer:Slab:Insulation
GroundHeatTransfer:Slab:EquivalentSlab

I also changed all the Outside Boundary Condition fields of Ground for my BuildingSurface:Detailed objects to

GroundSlabPreprocessorPerimeter,  !- Outside Boundary Condition

Currently I just copied-pasted the objects from the example idf file to my idf file and will have to read up on the objects to fill the fields appropriately for my model. But where is that documentation?

@JasonGlazer
I went through your links for using slab, but I couldn't find much description of the objects related to Slab. Then I looked in the Input Output Reference for Energyplus 8.9 and found this page,

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but I couldn't find the GroundHeatTransfer:Slab:Materials object (I didn't search for any of the other objects in the list) anywhere else in the Input Output Reference using Cntl+f to search the pdf. I was able to find descriptions of the fields in the IDF editor, which seem good enough to use the objects.

However, I don't really know if all these objects are necessary for Slab to run, or how they interact, or what Slab does in the absence of one of these objects ... (more)

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answered 2018-06-19 07:26:27 -0600

JasonGlazer

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Yes.

The easiest way is to use Slab is with EP-Launch or RunEPlus.bat on Windows. Try running the 5ZoneAirCooledWithSlab.idf example file and you will see that it runs. I just tested it with EnergyPlus 8.9.0.

Slab is a preprocessor which, by itself, is tricky to use so it has been integrated with ExpandObjects (another preprocessor that is usually known for working with HVACTemplate objects). The objects used are documents here in the InputOutputReference and in the Auxiliary Programs documentation here [Note, you will have to use the "Next >>" button to see the rest of the pages].

It can also be run directly although a bit more complicated (see the .\PreProcess\GrndTempCalc subdirectory). The special IDF can be run using the RunSlab.bat file in that location and the pieces that it produces copied into a normal IDF file and then that IDF file run with EnergyPlus. It is easier to just use EP-Launch.

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@JasonGlazer Please see my edited post. In particular, is there more thorough documentation of Slab and its associated objects?

mldichter ( 2018-06-19 16:42:21 -0600 )edit

More Slab documentation is in the Auxiliary Programs document.

ericringold ( 2018-06-19 17:22:30 -0600 )edit

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answered 2018-06-20 16:25:13 -0600

MJWitte

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To answer the original questions

Does Slab still work with the current version of Energyplus?

Yes. The error messages indicate that you were running an EnergyPlus idf file with the Slab program. Running Slab alone requires a different input file with just Slab objects. In the EnergyPlus install folder, see PreProcess\GrndTempCalc\SlabExample.idf.

Just want to know if I should move on to something else.

Yes. Slab is useful, but it gives you static monthly temperatures as the outside boundary condition for the floor slab based on the specified monthly average indoor air temperatures in the slab input. If the EnergyPlus model results in significantly different indoor air temperatures, then the floor heat transfer will be wrong.

There are two newer integrated foundation heat transfer models available directly in EnergyPlus, each with their own strengths and limitations. See Site:GroundDomain:Slab and Foundation:Kiva.

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answered 2024-09-19 23:53:26 -0600

Mohammad

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updated 2024-09-20 16:55:58 -0600

@MJWitte and @JasonGlazer

Thanks for providing all the details and clarfication about the slab preprocessor. I was wondering if you could please help me with the following relevant question. I am trying to add the Site:GroundTemperature:FCfactorMethod object to my IDF. In order to get the 12 required monthly fields for that object, I ran the slab preprocessor program (using EP-Lunch Utilities and the example file that existed in the EnergyPlus directory: PreProcess\GrndTempCalc). Running that IDF, generates another file, that is called _slab.gtp. That file includes four monthly tempretaures, including Taverage, Tperimeter, Tcore, and Tinside. I guess the Taverage would be the correct choice to fill the Site:GroundTemperature:FCfactorMethod fields. Could you please confirm if this approach looks correct. If not, what would be the alternative solution to generate that object.

Thanks so much in advance.

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FIrst, the FCFactor method objects (Construction:CFactorUndergroundWall, ConstructionFFactorGroundFloor, and Site:GroundTemperature:FCfactorNethod) are not related to the slab preprocessor and should not be used together. The easiest way to use the Construction:CFactorUndergroundWall and ConstructionFFactorGroundFloor objects is to not use the Site:GroundTemperature:FCfactorMethod. In that case, it defaults to the ground temperatures on the weather file for the location you have chosen. These are intended to be undisturbed ground temperatures that are not influenced by the building.

JasonGlazer ( 2024-09-20 16:00:50 -0600 )edit

Thanks @JasonGlazer for your quick reply. Upon checking the Input/Output Reference document, Site:GroundTemperature:FCfactorMethod " is used only by the underground walls or slabs-on-grade or underground floors defined with C-factor (Construction:CfactorUndergroundWall) and F-factor (Construction:FfactorGroundFloor) method for code compliance calculations where detailed construction layers are unknown". Am I missing anything here?

Mohammad ( 2024-09-20 17:24:47 -0600 )edit

you are correct.

JasonGlazer ( 2024-09-21 07:18:15 -0600 )edit

@Mohammad in the future, since this is a new question instead of an answer to the original question, please create a new post. You can link to this post and mention that it's related, as well as "@" mention other forum users that you think should be able to answer your new post.