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SEER and HSPF in E+/Design Builder

asked 2023-08-09 21:06:25 -0600

Anna's avatar

updated 2023-08-10 08:18:08 -0600

Has anyone observed a big difference between SEER/HSPF reported in the Equipment Summary report ( E+/Design Builder) and rated SEER/HSPF ? I typically enter COP, adjusted by removing fan energy per the equations in Section 11 of ASHRAE Std 90.1-2019. Or, when information is available, I use manufacturers data to calculate COP as a ratio of the cooling capacity and system power, where system power includes only outdoor fan and compressor, at rated conditions. Either way, the Equipment Summary always reports SEER /HSPF much lower than the rated equipment SEER/HSPF. The difference is significant. For example, a heat pump rated at 16 SEER/ 8.0 HSPF would show up in the Equipment Summary as having less than 12 SEER/5.5 HSPF. I derived performance curves for several Heat Pumps, but this did not close the gap or mitigate the issue. Based on conversation with Design Builder support, at some point I believed this may have to do with weather file. However, whatever weather file (location) I run, my SEER/HSPF in the Equipment Summary are always significantly lower than the rated values.
Could someone explain why this might be happening? Residential projects that I work on typically use Heat Pumps for apartments conditioning (150-300 Heat Pumps per building), so obviously this discrepancy may have a big impact on the energy results for this type of projects. Any insight, recommendation, comments you could provide would be much appreciated!

Anna

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Anna, did you enter the coil model fan performance for SEER calculations? or leave that field blank (which would use the default)?

rraustad's avatar rraustad  ( 2023-08-10 09:05:44 -0600 )edit

Hi Richard, Yes , I entered the evaporator fan power w/cfm for this specific HP model. This increased SEER a little bit, but it's still much lower than 16 SEER. I also ran a simulation with my electric resistance heating capacity set to zero, to see if HSPF would change, but it did not. The heating energy went down a little bit, but not as much as I would expect for climate zone 5B.

Anna's avatar Anna  ( 2023-08-10 10:32:09 -0600 )edit

The only thing I can suggest is to send an idf that looks wrong and include manufacturers data if possible.

rraustad's avatar rraustad  ( 2023-08-10 12:51:30 -0600 )edit

Hi Richard, Here is the link to IDF and manufacturer data: https://jordanskala-my.sharepoint.com...

The model has several systems, but only 3 systems (1.5 ton, 2.0 ton, and 2.5 ton) have custom curves: AH R-SW 1.5 TON, AH R-SE 2.0 TON, and AH R-SW1 2.5 TON. Per AHRI ratings, these Heat Pumps-splits should have the efficiency 14.3 SEER2– 15 SEER2 ( 15.0-15.8 SEER) and 7.5 HSPF2 (8.8 HSPF); however, the equipment summary report is showing 13.7-16 SEER and 5.5 HSPF. Any insight you could provide will be much appreciate.

Anna's avatar Anna  ( 2023-08-21 20:07:41 -0600 )edit

This is a V9.4 input file. Have you considered downloading the latest executable and seeing if the answer is the same? I see the 11.7 SEER for L3XRES:L3XRXSW PTHP DX COOLING COIL but this could be the older calculations, which could have been corrected, or bad performance curves, where did those come from? I tried updating the file to V22.2 and V22.3 but ran into an issue.

rraustad's avatar rraustad  ( 2023-08-22 21:15:27 -0600 )edit

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answered 2023-08-10 05:13:29 -0600

Jim Dirkes's avatar

Anna, I don't think the weather file has anything to do with the SEER or HSPF calculations, Their test conditions are set by AHRI, not weather. I may be able to help you with some derivations I use if you contact me directly.

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Hi Jim,

Thanks for your response! I read that SEER for Multi Speed DX coil and HSPF are supposed to be calculated as weighted average for various outdoor air bin temperatures, so I was wondering if E+ is looking at the actual weather file to calculate the capacity and electricity consumed whenever the system falls into the given temperature bin and using those numbers to calculate SEER/HSPF. Just to clarify, I need to model Single-Speed Heat Pumps, 1 to 2.5 ton. Have you ever seen the Equipment Summary report showing SEER higher than 13 and HSPF higher than 5.5 for Heat Pumps ( <65 kBtu/h).

Anna's avatar Anna  ( 2023-08-10 08:59:37 -0600 )edit

Anna, the "various outdoor air temperatures" are specific values that are independent of the climate. Single speed heat pumps in E+ have HSPF calculated properly - two speed are not included (I'm pretty sure; same for DX coil EER) I have an Excel macro prepared by the fellow who wrote the E+ HSPF code (Chandan Sharma) that works very well. He has told me that I may share it, if you'd like a copy.

Jim Dirkes's avatar Jim Dirkes  ( 2023-08-10 09:09:32 -0600 )edit

Sure, I would appreciate that very much. Could you share the link here, or should I provide my email address? I'm just trying to understand the equations behind E+ calculations, so that I can model equipment correctly.

Anna's avatar Anna  ( 2023-08-10 10:09:10 -0600 )edit

Here is my email address, if you don't mind sharing the file:

Anna's avatar Anna  ( 2023-08-10 10:35:21 -0600 )edit

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