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Ground Slab/basement Modelling-water reservoirs and wells

asked 2018-11-19 06:27:19 -0500

lukanuts gravatar image

Hi, I am using Eplus 8.9.

i was wondering, which considerations should I have to do if I have a water reservoir under the slab that acts as a buffer with the soil temperature?

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answered 2018-12-04 14:43:20 -0500

If the water reservoir is at known temperatures, you could use this directly as the slab outside boundary condition, using OtherSideCoefficients as the outside boundary condition (see SurfaceProperty:OtherSideCoefficients) to set scheduled outside surface temperatures.

Or, if the reservoir is stagnant, I suppose you could added it as another layer in the slab construction.

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Sorry for replying so late.

Basically I have a rainwater cistern made up of waterproofed boundary walls and slab, below the conditioned zone. The water level varies over the year so if we look as a section we will have (top to bottom): slab, air layer, water, slab, ground.

do you think that considering half air layer and half water (in term of thickness) is a correct assumption, don't you?

lukanuts gravatar imagelukanuts ( 2018-12-25 13:39:11 -0500 )edit

That's a starting point, but the cistern has side walls which add another dimension to the heat transfer, and possibly more important is the effect of rain water entering the cistern.

MJWitte gravatar imageMJWitte ( 2018-12-26 14:48:52 -0500 )edit

So if I am not mistaken I need to assess in such a way the 3d through the entire assembly and then add it into eplus as an equivalent construction? Do you think I would need a finite element analysis in order to model the ground slab?

Finally What about the thermal mass of the entire equivalent assembly? in this case is not appropriate to use a R-value material, to my knowledge. What do you think?

thanks in advance

lukanuts gravatar imagelukanuts ( 2018-12-27 05:22:18 -0500 )edit

Given that the thermal mass varies as water enters and leave the cistern, and these flows move energy in and out of the cistern, it's not clear that an equivalent assembly will come anywhere close to representing the dynamics of the cistern. Even a simple spreadsheet model of the cistern would be better than trying to mash it into an equivalent 1-d surface. With a model of the cistern outside EnergyPlus, you could produce a schedule of surface temperatures to apply using OtherSideCoefficients.

MJWitte gravatar imageMJWitte ( 2018-12-31 08:17:51 -0500 )edit

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