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If you're using both Slab:GroundDomain and the pre-processor I think the answer is that you don't need to use both? My understanding was that the pre-processor was an older approach, and the GroundDomain model didn't need it - you feed in the 2m temperatures through Site:GroundTemperature:Shallow and Site:GroundTemperature:Undisturbed:KusudaAchenbach. Hence why the Slab:GroundDomain inputs ask for "Undisturbed" ground temperatures.
I've gotten reasonable alignment between GroundDomain and Kiva like this - the main point of disagreement is where Kiva predicts significant heat gains through the edge of the slab in summer, which can be reduced by edge insulation. Because of this Kiva tends to predict significantly higher overheating and cooling loads and significantly different effects from adding edge insulation. I've been running models with both ground models for sensitivity analysis because of this the past few years.
If you do try Kiva however you do need to update E+ beyond v9.4 though - there was a serious bug that resulted in Kiva estimating heating use to by like 40% lower than it should be. This was fixed in v22.1.0 iirc
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If you're using both Slab:GroundDomain and the pre-processor I think the answer is that you don't need to use both? My understanding was that the pre-processor was an older approach, and the GroundDomain model didn't need it - you feed in the 2m temperatures through Site:GroundTemperature:Shallow and Site:GroundTemperature:Undisturbed:KusudaAchenbach. Hence why the Slab:GroundDomain inputs ask for "Undisturbed" ground temperatures.
I've gotten reasonable alignment between GroundDomain and Kiva like this - the main point of disagreement is where Kiva predicts significant heat gains through the edge of the slab in summer, which can be reduced by edge insulation. Because of this Kiva tends to predict significantly higher overheating and cooling loads and significantly different effects from adding edge insulation. I've been running models with both ground models for sensitivity analysis because of this the past few years.
If you do try Kiva however you do need to update E+ beyond v9.4 though - there was a serious bug that resulted in Kiva estimating underestimating heating use to by like 40% lower than it should be. 40%. This was fixed in v22.1.0 iirc
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If you're using both Slab:GroundDomain and the pre-processor I think the answer is that you don't need to use both? My understanding was that the pre-processor was an older approach, and the GroundDomain model didn't need it - you feed in the 2m temperatures through Site:GroundTemperature:Shallow and Site:GroundTemperature:Undisturbed:KusudaAchenbach. Hence why the Slab:GroundDomain inputs ask for "Undisturbed" ground temperatures.
I've gotten reasonable alignment between GroundDomain and Kiva like this - the main point of disagreement is where Kiva predicts significant heat gains through the edge of the slab in summer, which can be reduced by edge insulation. Because of this Kiva tends to predict significantly higher overheating and cooling loads and significantly different effects from adding edge insulation. I've been running models with both ground models for sensitivity analysis because of this the past few years.
If you do try Kiva however you do need to update E+ beyond v9.4 though - there was a serious bug that resulted in Kiva underestimating heating use by like 40%. This was fixed in v22.1.0 iirc
Edit: adding a couple of notes on GroundDomain defaults after looking at the idf: