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Determine "Effective thickness of cavity behind exterior baffle"

I appreciate your help in advance. I would like to know how to determine the field named "Effective thickness of cavity behind exterior baffle" which appears in the class "SurfaceProperty:ExteriorNaturalVentedCavity" from EnergyPlus. I have found the following definition:

"This field is used to enter a nominal gap thickness (m) for the collector. If the baffle is corrugated, use the average depth. This distance value is only used when the collector is near horizontal to determine a length scale in the vertical direction for buoyancy calculations. For example, if the collector is mounted on a flat roof, its tilt-adjusted height is zero and the program will use this gap thickness as a length scale rather than the height from the previous field."

Does this mean that if I am using "SurfaceProperty:ExteriorNaturalVentedCavity" to simulate a vertical ventilated façace, this field is not used by EnergyPlus? This way, I do not find any other field to indicate the thickness of the cavity to EnergyPlus.

Thank you very much for your help and your time. Best regards, María.

Determine "Effective thickness of cavity behind exterior baffle"

I appreciate your help in advance. I would like to know how to determine the field named "Effective thickness of cavity behind exterior baffle" which appears in the class "SurfaceProperty:ExteriorNaturalVentedCavity" from EnergyPlus. I have found the following definition:

"This field is used to enter a nominal gap thickness (m) for the collector. If the baffle is corrugated, use the average depth. This distance value is only used when the collector is near horizontal to determine a length scale in the vertical direction for buoyancy calculations. For example, if the collector is mounted on a flat roof, its tilt-adjusted height is zero and the program will use this gap thickness as a length scale rather than the height from the previous field."

Does this mean that if I am using "SurfaceProperty:ExteriorNaturalVentedCavity" to simulate a vertical ventilated façace, this field is not used by EnergyPlus? This way, I do not find any other field to indicate the thickness of the cavity to EnergyPlus.

Thank you very much for your help and your time. Best regards, María.

Determine "Effective thickness of cavity behind exterior baffle"

I appreciate your help in advance. I would like to know how to determine the field named "Effective thickness of cavity behind exterior baffle" which appears in the class "SurfaceProperty:ExteriorNaturalVentedCavity" from EnergyPlus. I have found the following definition:

"This field is used to enter a nominal gap thickness (m) for the collector. If the baffle is corrugated, use the average depth. This distance value is only used when the collector is near horizontal to determine a length scale in the vertical direction for buoyancy calculations. For example, if the collector is mounted on a flat roof, its tilt-adjusted height is zero and the program will use this gap thickness as a length scale rather than the height from the previous field."

Does this mean that if I am using "SurfaceProperty:ExteriorNaturalVentedCavity" to simulate a vertical ventilated façace, this field is not used by EnergyPlus? This way, I do not find any other field to indicate the thickness of the cavity to EnergyPlus.

I have asked ChatGPT. I know it can make mistakes, but I have tried. This has been its answer:

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Thank you very much for your help and your time. Best regards, María.

Determine "Effective thickness of cavity behind exterior baffle"

I appreciate your help in advance. I would like to know how to determine the field named "Effective thickness of cavity behind exterior baffle" which appears in the class "SurfaceProperty:ExteriorNaturalVentedCavity" from EnergyPlus. I have found the following definition:

"This field is used to enter a nominal gap thickness (m) for the collector. If the baffle is corrugated, use the average depth. This distance value is only used when the collector is near horizontal to determine a length scale in the vertical direction for buoyancy calculations. For example, if the collector is mounted on a flat roof, its tilt-adjusted height is zero and the program will use this gap thickness as a length scale rather than the height from the previous field."

Does this mean that if I am using "SurfaceProperty:ExteriorNaturalVentedCavity" to simulate a vertical ventilated façace, this field is not used by EnergyPlus? This way, I do not find any other field to indicate the thickness of the cavity to EnergyPlus.

I have also asked ChatGPT. I know it can make mistakes, but I have tried. This has been its answer:

image description(/upfiles/17291728574911257.jpg)(/upfiles/17291728772011704.jpg)(/upfiles/17291728772011704.jpg)----------Given the specific details of your vertical, ventilated cavity: - Cavity thickness: 0.3 meters (300 mm) - Emissivity: 0.85 (relatively high) - Orientation: Vertical - Ventilated: Airflow within the cavity Let's ensure that the effective thickness estimate is accurate, taking into account the vertical orientation and ventilation.

Step-by-Step Process:

  1. Vertical Cavity and Convection:
    • In a vertical cavity, convective currents are stronger due to the natural buoyancy of warm air rising. This creates more air movement within the cavity, which increases convective heat transfer and decreases the thermal resistance of the cavity.
    • Since the cavity is also ventilated, external air is entering the cavity, which further reduces its thermal resistance by enhancing convection.
  2. Emissivity Impact:
    • The high emissivity (0.85) indicates significant radiative heat transfer between the surfaces of the cavity, which further reduces its thermal insulation performance. Radiative heat transfer between surfaces becomes a more dominant factor when emissivity is high, causing more heat to be transferred.
  3. R-Value for a Vertical Ventilated Cavity:
    • For a ventilated vertical air cavity with high emissivity and a thickness of 0.3 m, the ASHRAE Handbook and similar sources suggest an R-value (thermal resistance) in the range of 0.10 m²·K/W to 0.12 m²·K/W.
    • This lower R-value reflects the fact that vertical ventilation significantly increases heat transfer through convection, reducing the overall insulation provided by the cavity.
  4. Calculate Effective Thickness: To find the effective thickness in EnergyPlus, we convert the estimated R-value into an equivalent thickness of an insulating material with known thermal properties (e.g., a material with thermal conductivity λ = 0.04 W/m·K).

Using the formula:

Effective Thickness = Rvalue / Thermal conductivity

For an R-value of 0.10 m²·K/W (a reasonable estimate for your case):

Effective Thickness = 0.1/0.04 = 2.5 cm = 25 mm

For an R-value of 0.12 m²·K/W (upper estimate):

Effective Thickness = 0.12/0.04 = 3.0 cm = 30 mm

Conclusion:

For your vertical, ventilated cavity with high emissivity and 0.3 meters of physical thickness, the effective thickness for EnergyPlus input would be in the range of 25 mm to 30 mm, depending on the exact ventilation conditions. Given that the cavity is ventilated and vertical (both of which increase heat transfer), you should use 25 mm as the effective thickness for EnergyPlus simulations, which corresponds to the lower end of the estimated thermal resistance. Let me know if you need further adjustments or clarification!----------------

Thank you very much for your help and your time. Best regards, María.