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DCV in DesignBuilder - Show compliance with ASHRAE 90.1

asked 2024-08-06 06:07:49 -0600

FxMad's avatar

updated 2024-08-09 15:54:35 -0600

Hello everyone,

I have a question regarding the configuration of DCV in DesignBuilder.

In ASHRAE 90.1 Appendix G, to show compliance with The Baseline HVAC SystemType and Description, I have to "[..] use system type 5 or 7 with a demand ventilation system on 75% of the exhaust air". I would like to know how is it possible to set the DCV to 75% of the exhaust air.

Thanks in advance for your answer,

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when I search "demand ventilation" if find your quoted statement. However, this is only referring to Kitchen exhaust systems. Is this what you want?

*Demand ventilation systems on at least 75% of the exhaust air. Such systems shall be capable of and configured to provide at least 50% reduction in exhaust and replacement air system airflow rates, including controls necessary to modulate airflow in response to appliance operation and to maintain full capture and containment of smoke, effluent, and combustion products during cooking and idle."

Greg Estep's avatar Greg Estep  ( 2024-08-07 11:14:55 -0600 )edit

Yes, It's about the Kitchen exhaust system

FxMad's avatar FxMad  ( 2024-08-07 11:19:31 -0600 )edit

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answered 2024-08-07 19:38:02 -0600

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yes, you can model variable kitchen exhaust using designbuilder. you could do this in a couple of ways.

you could create a kitchen zone and add a zone exhaust fan. within the zone Exhaust fan dialog, check "apply flow fraction schedule", then apply the fractional schedule to simulate the variable speed kitchen hood exhaust. I use a schedule that ramps up and down during peak catering loads.

Now, if you have a make up air unit, you will need to connect that and try to get the flows to work out. I have had trouble with this.

Here is how I do it: Do not use zone exhaust fan.

Create a separate zone (using virtual partitions) in the kitchen for the kitchen hood and include the catering equipment loads.

Add a generic air loop and configure with the desired components (htg and clg coil, etc..), but you will want to hard size everything, no autosize. add a VAV no reheat ADU to the zone. hard size the maximum air flow rate. select scheduled zone minimum air flow method. Use the same kitchen exhaust schedule here.

here comes the part where you have to trick EnergyPlus. Since the VAV no Reheat ADU modulates the airflow base on zone load, you have to set the zone heating and cooling setpoints way out (20F for heating, and 120F for cooling). This way, the ADU will always be at minimum airflow and use the schedule. This is why I create the separate kitchen hood zone within the conditioned kitchen.

let me know how it goes! -Greg

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Thanks, I didn't think of the virtual partitions. Do you think that virtual partitions could solve this problem : I combined the dweling unit with the bathroom into a single thermal block but I can not represent the exhaust in the bathroom as designed : Therefore, I added an exhaust fan into all the dweling unit. By creating a virtual partition between the dweling unit and the bathroom, I could represent an extraction unit serving all the toilets in the rooms.

FxMad's avatar FxMad  ( 2024-08-08 05:02:20 -0600 )edit

Is this for a multifamily building? If so, I usually merge all zones per floor and handle the ventilation accordingly. For example, if an apartment has a kitchen and bathroom on the same floor, I would merge the zones, ensure kitchen loads, and combine the ventilation. I default to 100 CFM per resi kitchen and 20 CFM per bathroom. We use ERVs, so that would be a 120 CFM ERV.

Greg Estep's avatar Greg Estep  ( 2024-08-08 10:40:16 -0600 )edit

Okay, I think I have the wrong approach. Is it possible to discuss further on a quick session on Zoom to show you what I've done. Here is my email if you agree : mdrouintrv@gmail.com

FxMad's avatar FxMad  ( 2024-08-08 10:45:04 -0600 )edit

I will refer you to Big Ladder for modeling support or you can submit a ticket to design builder support.

I like being a part of the unmet hours community, but don't want to go beyond this format. Thanks for offering though.

Greg Estep's avatar Greg Estep  ( 2024-08-08 12:41:53 -0600 )edit

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