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Two Different construction for one wall ?

asked 2023-12-09 17:57:36 -0500

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Hello Everyone, I wanted to ask if there is a way to model the wall directly in openstudio(using Geometry, Editor, Floorspace JS) with two different construction? Example: a basement wall with 8 ft under the ground and 5 ft above the ground. I dont have any sketchup membership, so i was trying to find a way to do it in openstudio directly.

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answered 2023-12-10 09:08:07 -0500

updated 2023-12-10 09:16:10 -0500

It's not clear if you want 2 distinct, vertically superimposed walls (a bottom one facing the ground, the one above it facing outdoors). Or a single wall yet half-sunken in the ground. I'm assuming the latter, in which case your question could be "two different outside boundary conditions" for a single basement wall (I may be wrong).

You can do this with KIVA, which supports partially-exposed basement walls (e.g. 8ft below-grade, 5ft above-grade). Although the OpenStudio Application (or App) runs just fine with valid KIVA objects in an .osm file, one cannot add/edit KIVA entries using the App per se. The TBD measure's KIVA options should do the trick in your case. I suggest you first try the following steps on a copy of your model (to get the hang of it).

KIVA


STEP 1: First, go through your model (using the App's Spaces tab, Surfaces sub-tab) and select which basement walls AND connected basement floors should be targeted by TBD/KIVA (by selecting either "ground" or "foundation" as outside boundary condition).

boundary

In this SEB example (which comes with the App), I'm selecting "foundation" for a single wall (as well as its connected floor slab).

SEB

Background: a KIVA foundation object must be first linked to a floor surface. One or more neighbouring basement walls can then be connected to the same KIVA foundation object, yet the starting point must be a floor surface. TBD will handle 99% of the job behind the scenes (see STEP 7 for the remaining 1%), but you first have to be clear which basement surfaces are to be modified by TBD/KIVA.


STEP 2: Download the TBD Measure (e.g. via the App, search for "tbd")


STEP 3: Launch Apply Measures Now, select TBD (under Envelope/Opaque)


STEP 4: Select "(non thermal bridging)" as the "Default thermal bridge set". This deactivates any thermal bridging calculations for above-grade surfaces - this is critical!

noTBD


STEP 5: Select either "Generate KIVA inputs" OR "Force-generate KIVA inputs". If you have selected "foundation" in STEP 1, then select "Generate KIVA inputs" - only "foundation" surfaces will be modified by TBD. If you have maintained "ground" as outside boundary condition in STEP 1, then select "Force-generate KIVA inputs" (which applies KIVA to BOTH "ground" and "foundation" surfaces).

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Careful, as either ALL "foundation" surfaces and/or ALL "ground" surfaces in your model will be KIVA-enabled once TBD is done. Also note that EnergyPlus will halt with a SEVERE error if a surface has "foundation" as outside boundary condition, WITHOUT valid KIVA entries.


STEP 6: Apply Measure, save the model, quit the App. You no longer need TBD.


STEP 7: Open the saved .osm file with a text editor. Do a string search for "Foundation," (note the comma at the end of the string) until you hit one or more Wall surfaces. Then search for the related outside boundary condition object, here {c2b1ebdb-c011-4b3c-97c1-c178889c81c1}. This is what TBD generates by default when the floor is more akin to a slab-on-grade ... (more)

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thank u so much for ur amazing help, i always used idf to set the kiva foundation but this is amazing , did not know it. regarding this topic, i want to ask you for more help. for example i have a wall , with two different material, Construction 1 and Construction 2 , i want to set the construction 1 to half of the wall , and the rest will be Construction 2. and this wall is not the basement, let say level 2.is it a way to do it ? or i have to create two different spaces ? and if i have to, i want to use the air boundary condition to separate the spaces, what's ur recommended number for ACH?

payam's avatar payam  ( 2023-12-13 10:33:30 -0500 )edit

@payam, are you also referring to KIVA (e.g. half-exposed basement wall)? KIVA does support variable height insulation (kinda like 2 construction variations for the same wall), while maintaining a monolithic core (e.g. 8" concrete). Maybe provide an illustrated cross-section of the wall?

If your question is unrelated to KIVA (e.g. how to vertically split an above-grade wall in FloorspaceJS, each wall with its own construction), then you should post a new UMH question (with a clear title mentioning FloorspaceJS). Someone familiar with FloorspaceJS (not me, unfortunately) may help.

Denis Bourgeois's avatar Denis Bourgeois  ( 2023-12-13 12:47:01 -0500 )edit
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Thank you, Denis, it was really helpful. Really Appreciate it.

payam's avatar payam  ( 2023-12-18 15:13:24 -0500 )edit

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