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Why heatings needs increase when the number of zones increase (for the same total surface) using Kiva model for the ground temperature?

asked 2022-04-20 10:36:24 -0600

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updated 2022-04-21 10:55:23 -0600

I model a single storey building with a big surface (10 000 m²) heated to 15°C. The building is well insulated on the walls and the roof but not on the floor.

I use Kiva foundations with the following parameters:

Foundation:Kiva,
    Slab Details,             !- Name
    15,                       !- Initial Indoor Air Temperature
    ,                         !- Interior Horizontal Insulation Material Name
    ,                         !- Interior Horizontal Insulation Depth
    ,                         !- Interior Horizontal Insulation Width
    ,                         !- Interior Vertical Insulation Material Name
    ,                         !- Interior Vertical Insulation Depth
    ,                         !- Exterior Horizontal Insulation Material Name
    ,                         !- Exterior Horizontal Insulation Depth
    ,                         !- Exterior Horizontal Insulation Width
    ,                         !- Exterior Vertical Insulation Material Name
    ,                         !- Exterior Vertical Insulation Depth
    ,                         !- Wall Height Above Grade
    ,                         !- Wall Depth Below Slab
    ;                         !- Footing Wall Construction Name

Foundation:Kiva:Settings,
    1.8,                      !- Soil Conductivity
    3200,                     !- Soil Density
    836,                      !- Soil Specific Heat
    0.9,                      !- Ground Solar Absorptivity
    0.9,                      !- Ground Thermal Absorptivity
    0.03,                     !- Ground Surface Roughness
    40,                       !- FarField Width
    GroundWater,              !- DeepGround Boundary Condition
    10;                       !- DeepGround Depth



SurfaceProperty:ExposedFoundationPerimeter,
    PLANCHER +00_+00_+00,     !- Surface Name
    ExposedPerimeterFraction,    !- Exposed Perimeter Calculation Method
    ,                         !- Total Exposed Perimeter
    1,                        !- Exposed Perimeter Fraction
    ;                         !- Surface Segment 1 Exposed
.... [identical for all zones]

Heating needs increase with the number of zones without stabilization. The following graph shows the maximum power and the total heating energy for this building depending on the number of zones: fig1
First results

The idf has as many BuildingSurface:Detailed for the floor as Zone objects and each surface use the same construction so I used only one Kiva object for the whole building (cf. https://bigladdersoftware.com/epx/doc...).

What makes me think the problem is with Kiva? When the floor is insulated, the heating needs remain unchanged regardless of the number of zones.

I'm using EnergyPlus 9.22.

Thank you for your help.

Updated

After modifying the value of the Exposed Perimeter Fraction parameter for all SurfaceProperty:ExposedFoundationPerimeter objects, using 1 when there is only one zone, 0.5 when the zone is in a corner, 0.25 when the zone is along one face of the building and 0 when the zone is in the middle of the building:

fig2
Results after modifying Exposed Perimeter Fraction parameters

There is still an increase up to 7.7%.

To complement these results, the graph below shows the results when the floor is very well insulated (this is the only thing that has been changed):

fig3
Results after modifying Exposed Perimeter Fraction parameters with good insulation for the floor

This time there is an increase up to 2.6%.

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If you're subdividing a big floor slab into multiple smaller surfaces, not all of those surfaces will have exposed perimeter (as some will be 'interior', some will just have one exposed edge, etc). But your SurfaceProperty inputs ("identical for all zones") are saying that each surface has all perimeter exposed. More exposed perimeter -> more heat loss.

Eric Ringold's avatar Eric Ringold  ( 2022-04-20 11:20:23 -0600 )edit

Seems to be related to this post, also made by @cecile.cr

Aaron Boranian's avatar Aaron Boranian  ( 2022-04-20 11:53:29 -0600 )edit

Thank you for the aswers! I will try. @Aaron Boranian, yes it is related to my comment.

cecile.cr's avatar cecile.cr  ( 2022-04-21 02:01:38 -0600 )edit

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answered 2022-04-20 11:24:54 -0600

updated 2022-04-20 11:26:03 -0600

All of your zones have 100% exposed perimeter. That means that each time you subdivide into more zones, the building is seeing more and more of its foundation exposed to exterior grade. When you subdivide your building into more zones, only the zones on the exterior of the building should have any exposed perimeter.

I would be curious to see how this changes your results!

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Thank you for your help. I changed the Exposed Perimeter Fraction parameter, using 1 when there is only one zone, 0.5 when the zone is in a corner, 0.25 when the zone is along one face of the building and 0 when the zone is in the middle of the building. The results seem really better but there is still an increase of up to 8% for 441 zones. I update the post to provide you the new graph.

cecile.cr's avatar cecile.cr  ( 2022-04-21 09:41:42 -0600 )edit

I am not sure how you are splitting up the zones and whether these fixed fractions correctly apply to the geometry of the zone floor. For example, when you have 3 zones, are your perimeter fractions correct? What about 6 zones?

rraustad's avatar rraustad  ( 2022-04-21 11:17:49 -0600 )edit

@rraustad I split the building with n x n blocks: 2 x 2 will give this construction:
|x|x|
|x|x|,
3 x 3 :
|x|x|x|
|x|x|x|
|x|x|x|
etc.

For the 3x3 configuration there are these fractions:
|0.50|0.25|0.50|
|0.25|0.00|0.25|
|0.50|0.25|0.50|.

I updated the post showing you the results when I just increase the thickness of the floor insulation.

cecile.cr's avatar cecile.cr  ( 2022-04-21 11:27:31 -0600 )edit

If your building is a square, those fractions do look correct. I am running a Kiva model now and not getting the results I expect, with a single zone (Std 140 2020 GC30b). I guess you could look at Surface Inside/Outside Face Conduction Heat Transfer Rate (I get 650 W and expect 2500 W for my SZ model) and Surface Inside/Outside Face Temperature to see if those reports make sense for the floor. And how those reports change over the year.

rraustad's avatar rraustad  ( 2022-04-21 11:46:34 -0600 )edit
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I accidentally deleted my previous comment, but this sounds like it might be the same issue as this.

shorowit's avatar shorowit  ( 2022-04-21 12:02:17 -0600 )edit

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