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Why Don't I Need a DX Cooling Coil Plant-Side

asked 2018-10-02 12:50:12 -0500

updated 2018-10-03 15:05:03 -0500

I currently have a DX Cooling Coil providing cooling in my supply air, but I haven't got any sort of cooling plant in my model. If the element is truly just a cooling coil, wouldn't that mean that this is just the evaporator? How can cooling possibly be occurring?

What I was hoping was to have the condenser associated with this evaporator reject heat to a cooling tower. Is the element in OpenStudio a complete DX system (evaporator and condenser) with the assumption being that it is air-cooled?

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FYI - this image you added of the Refrigeration Condenser Water Cooled item from OpenStudio's HVAC library is meant to be used exclusively for refrigeration systems (walk-in or cases in grocery stores, for example). They can't be used in an air or plant system like you want.

Aaron Boranian's avatar Aaron Boranian  ( 2018-10-03 18:13:57 -0500 )edit

@Aaron Boranian Thanks for the heads up...I was a little suspicious of that.

jbatt's avatar jbatt  ( 2018-10-04 05:51:51 -0500 )edit

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answered 2018-10-03 12:22:45 -0500

If you want to cool using a plant loop, then choose a CoolingCoil:Water instead of a CoolingCoilDX object. Then create a water loop with an air or water cooled chiller, depending on your use case. Water cooled if you will have a cooing tower.

On the HVAC tab of the OpenStudio application if you click the green plus at the top left you will open a dialog to make various HVAC systems. If you choose "Packaged Rooftop VAV with Reheat" you can inspect the resulting system that has an air loop serving the zones, a chiller water loop, and a condenser water loop.

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Thanks, David. That sounds like a reasonable strategy...the only hesitation that I had about doing just that was that in the building I am modeling this is an evaporator coil and I was afraid CoolingCoil:Water would behave as a CHW coil - without any phase change occurring. Is this not something that I need to worry about?

The plant-side that you described is exactly what I'm looking for.

jbatt's avatar jbatt  ( 2018-10-03 12:31:46 -0500 )edit
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I believe what the user is asking for is a water-cooled DX cooling coil. So only the condenser water loop would be necessary. Does OS have water-cooled DX coils?

rraustad's avatar rraustad  ( 2018-10-03 12:39:38 -0500 )edit

That's correct. Or some kind of work around using an ordinary cooling coil as David suggested and equating the performance to that of a water-cooled DX coil

jbatt's avatar jbatt  ( 2018-10-03 12:44:11 -0500 )edit

This answer might be useful.

ericringold's avatar ericringold  ( 2018-10-03 13:42:51 -0500 )edit

Ideally, though, it would be a refrigerant (not water) exchanging heat with my air-stream and water loop

jbatt's avatar jbatt  ( 2018-10-03 15:00:52 -0500 )edit

The hope was that I could either connect my DX coil to the object in the above image or that there was an evaporator side that corresponded to this object (I can't seem to find one).

jbatt's avatar jbatt  ( 2018-10-03 15:04:27 -0500 )edit
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The DX 'coils' in EnergyPlus model the whole evaporator+condenser assembly. The Coil:Cooling:WaterToAirHeatPump:EquationFit enables modeling equipment that cools air and rejects heat to a water loop using a curve fit model, thus bypassing the need to characterize the refrigerant and individual subcomponents.

ericringold's avatar ericringold  ( 2018-10-03 15:11:38 -0500 )edit

Ah perfect! Thanks...I think I misunderstood your comment on the DOAS thread.

jbatt's avatar jbatt  ( 2018-10-03 15:14:45 -0500 )edit

@Eric Ringold It seems that unitary heat pumps cannot be controlled by a supply air set point, but must respond to a set point in a control zone. Is this accurate? If so I'll have to come up with something else.

jbatt's avatar jbatt  ( 2018-10-03 16:34:25 -0500 )edit

The AirLoopHVAC:UnitarySystem input field Control Type has an option for 'SetPoint' control. You might also be interested in this question and answer. Although the setup that wraps each coil in a UnitarySystem might require setup using the OpenStudio SDK.

ericringold's avatar ericringold  ( 2018-10-03 16:43:41 -0500 )edit

@Eric Ringold It seems that in the question you linked, one is still limited to controlling the unitary system via an individual zone set point. I'm simply trying to control supply air temperature (this unit is supposed to serve all zones on one floor - individual zone set point is achieved via flow through a VAV terminal).

Is what I'm trying to do - control supply air temperature using a DX (or heat pump/unitary) system - really that outlandish?

Also I'm committed because apparently you can't remove unitary systems from an OS model (?)

jbatt's avatar jbatt  ( 2018-10-04 06:05:55 -0500 )edit

@jmbattis that question specifies 'Load' control, but that doesn't mean unitary system control is limited to 'Load' (see the other options for the Control Type input). I linked to it because of what it says about wrapping coils in individual unitary systems instead of all in one.

apparently you can't remove unitary systems

Does clicking the 'x' on the icon not work?

ericringold's avatar ericringold  ( 2018-10-04 09:14:20 -0500 )edit

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