Air handling unit, Leed certification

asked 2017-07-31 10:51:59 -0500

Ricky
115 ●3

Good afternoon,

I am modeling the baseline building hvac system for a Leed certification. There is a hvac system No.8 which serves two different zones on the same plane (a single system is required), providing primary air and cooling the environments. In the proposed building, an area has a fancoil while the other is directly connected to the AHU. Moving to the baseline, if both zones require cooling but only one requires air exchange, the second zone will receive an unnecessary air replacement, contradicting G3.1.2.5.

How can I fix the problem? Do I have to create more AHU?

edit retag flag offensive close merge delete

Comments

Good question. Same problem for zones in the same floor (that should have the same VAV) but with different setpoint temperature. For G3.1.3.12 the supply air temperature should be different (?)

Gio ( 2017-07-31 11:14:37 -0500 )edit

See if this post answers your question

David Goldwasser ( 2017-07-31 11:30:36 -0500 )edit

@David Goldwasser Thank you, but I still don't understand. Immagine: two zones in the same floor. Both demand cooling but only one ventilation.

Ricky ( 2017-07-31 11:41:16 -0500 )edit

add a comment

answered 2017-07-31 15:00:53 -0500

ericringold

10527 ●31 ●8 https://www.nrel.gov/b...

updated 2017-07-31 15:06:54 -0500

I don't see the contradiction with 90.1-2007 G3.1.2.5 (Note: different versions of the standard have different numbered sections, so it's helpful to specify the standard version when citing a specific section).

In your proposed case, say Zone 1 (served by AHU) receives 50 CFM of outside air, and Zone 2 (served by FCU) receives 0 CFM. In the baseline model, you would model both zones attached to a single AHU, which you model delivering a minimum 50 CFM of outside air. Thus the minimum outside air ventilation rates are the same (50 CFM) in the proposed building and baseline building designs, which meets the language of 90.1-2007 G3.1.2.5.

Edit: your FCU zone might fall under the G3.1.1 exceptions, in which case it would not need to be attached to the AHU in your baseline, and the System 4 serving it would be modeled with 0 CFM of outside air.

edit flag offensive delete link

Comments

I confirm that this was the standard 90.1-207. If I understood correctly, do you mean that in the baseline building I have to respect the minimum external air ventilation rate globally but not at the level of a single thermal zone?

Ricky ( 2017-08-01 03:43:32 -0500 )edit

@Eric Ringold If I use a single AHU with two zones with different setpoint, how can I set the supply air temperature with G3.1.3.12?

"G3.1.3.12 Supply Air Temperature Reset (Systems 5 through 8). The air temperature for cooling shall be reset higher by 5°F (2.3°C) under the minimum cooling load conditions."

I read this "https://unmethours.com/question/17852/how-to-model-supply-air-temperature-reset/" but if I have different setpoint it does not work

Gio ( 2017-08-01 04:07:43 -0500 )edit

@Ricky yes, the language of that section specifies matching ventilation rates between the two _buildings_, not individual zones.

@Gio you are asking a separate question for which you should create your own post. But I'll say a zone with a different set point will probably meet the exceptions of G3.1.1 and get it's own single-zone system.