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@therealtorte, not a pool expert. Hopefully, experienced E+ pool/plant users can chime in.

I simply replaced the water heater with an autosized gas-fired boiler:

pool boiler

Seems to do the trick (water temperature ~27°C). Supply temperature is always coming out at 35°C, despite resetting some of the scheduled values (I must be overlooking something).

@therealtorte, not a pool expert. Hopefully, experienced E+ pool/plant users can chime in.

I simply replaced the water heater with an autosized gas-fired boiler:boiler. Seems to do the trick (pool water temperature at a constant ~27°C).

pool boiler

Seems to do the trick (water temperature ~27°C). Supply temperature is always coming out at 35°C, despite resetting some of the scheduled values (I must be overlooking something).

EDIT: Had skipped over the Plant:Loop settings, where the max loop T° was originally set at 35°C. If you ensure supply temperature settings at e.g. 75°C (boiler, loop, setpoint manager schedule "Sciorba Temperature AC Vasca"), then the average flow rate will drop.

Plant:Loop

Tested against a much colder climate, the boiler/loop is supplying ~75°C and meeting the target 27°C. If you're investigating the impact of water temperature setbacks or flush + maintenance + refill + re/heat scenarios, then adjust the Loop Design Temperature Difference, e.g. (75°C - 10°C =) 65K rather than (75°C - 27°C =) 48K. This would level up the (autosized) maximum flow rate.

Sizing:Plant

You need both a high supply temperature and adequately-sized flow rate to melt that 4 months (!) reheat period down to hopefully a few days. The nearest olympic/competition swimming facility states that it takes 6 days to refill the pool (e.g. maintenance), and up to 3 days to reheat to 28°C.

Best of luck.

@therealtorte, not a pool expert. Hopefully, experienced E+ pool/plant users can chime in.

I simply replaced the water heater with an autosized gas-fired boiler. Seems to do the trick (pool water temperature at a constant ~27°C).

pool boiler

Supply temperature is always coming out at 35°C, despite resetting some of the scheduled values (I must be overlooking something). EDIT: Had skipped over the Plant:Loop settings, where the max loop T° was originally set at 35°C. If you ensure supply temperature settings at e.g. 75°C (boiler, loop, setpoint manager schedule "Sciorba Temperature AC Vasca"), then the average average flow rate will drop.

Plant:Loop

Tested against a much colder climate, the boiler/loop is supplying ~75°C and meeting the target 27°C. If you're investigating the impact of water temperature setbacks or flush + maintenance + refill + re/heat scenarios, then adjust the Loop Design Temperature Difference, e.g. (75°C - 10°C =) 65K rather than (75°C - 27°C =) 48K. This would level up the (autosized) maximum maximum flow rate.

Sizing:Plant

You need both a high supply temperature and adequately-sized flow rate to melt that 4 months 4-month (!) reheat period down to hopefully a few days. The nearest olympic/competition swimming facility here (cold climate) states that it takes 6 days to refill the pool (e.g. maintenance), and up to 3 days to reheat to 28°C.

Best of luck.

@therealtorte, not a pool expert. Hopefully, experienced E+ pool/plant users can chime in.

I simply replaced the water heater with an autosized gas-fired boiler. Seems to do the trick (pool water temperature at a constant ~27°C).

pool boiler

Supply temperature is always coming out at 35°C, despite resetting some of the scheduled values (I must be overlooking something). EDIT: Had skipped over the Plant:Loop settings, where the max loop T° was originally set at 35°C. If you ensure supply temperature settings at e.g. 75°C (boiler, loop, setpoint manager schedule "Sciorba Temperature AC Vasca"), then the average flow rate will drop.

Plant:Loop

Tested against a much colder climate, the boiler/loop is supplying ~75°C and meeting the target 27°C. If you're investigating the impact of water temperature setbacks or flush + maintenance + refill + re/heat scenarios, then adjust the Loop Design Temperature Difference, e.g. (75°C - 10°C =) 65K rather than (75°C - 27°C =) 48K. This would level up the (autosized) maximum flow rate.

Sizing:Plant

You need both a high supply temperature and adequately-sized flow rate to melt that 4-month (!) reheat period down to hopefully a few days. The nearest olympic/competition swimming facility here (cold climate) states that it takes 6 days to refill the pool (e.g. maintenance), and up to 3 days to reheat to 28°C.

Best of luck.

EDIT: @therealtorte, I'm coming up empty handed with your 2-pool configuration - sorry. Switching to constant flow rates (with a bypass), adjusting loop volumes, hard sizing, etc.; results remain as you observed (the deeper pool remains cold, while the shallower pool meets the setpoint). This may be a bug, possibly related to this recent fix for E+ 23.2 (still an issue?), or related to this. I suggest you triple-check to make sure the inputs to the main (2m-deep) pool/loop/boiler are the same between both models you have submitted (I noticed the "Sciorba Temperatura AC Vasca" values may have been different), and consider submitting an issue (while referring to this UMH post). Alternatively, you could try hard sizing EVERY input related to the pools, loops, boilers (i.e. no autosizing). Buona fortuna!

@therealtorte, not a pool expert. Hopefully, experienced E+ pool/plant users can chime in.

I simply replaced the water heater with an autosized gas-fired boiler. Seems to do the trick (pool water temperature at a constant ~27°C).

pool boiler

Supply temperature is always coming out at 35°C, despite resetting some of the scheduled values (I must be overlooking something). EDIT: Had skipped over the Plant:Loop settings, where the max loop T° was originally set at 35°C. If you ensure supply temperature settings at e.g. 75°C (boiler, loop, setpoint manager schedule "Sciorba Temperature AC Vasca"), then the average flow rate will drop.

Plant:Loop

Tested against a much colder climate, the boiler/loop is supplying ~75°C and meeting the target 27°C. If you're investigating the impact of water temperature setbacks or flush + maintenance + refill + re/heat scenarios, then adjust the Loop Design Temperature Difference, e.g. (75°C - 10°C =) 65K rather than (75°C - 27°C =) 48K. This would level up the (autosized) maximum flow rate.

Sizing:Plant

You need both a high supply temperature and adequately-sized flow rate to melt that 4-month (!) reheat period down to hopefully a few days. The nearest olympic/competition swimming facility here (cold climate) states that it takes 6 days to refill the pool (e.g. maintenance), and up to 3 days to reheat to 28°C.

Best of luck.

EDIT: @therealtorte, I'm coming up empty handed with your 2-pool configuration - sorry. Switching to constant flow rates (with a bypass), adjusting loop volumes, hard sizing, etc.; results remain as you observed (the deeper pool remains cold, while the shallower pool meets the setpoint). This may be a bug, possibly related to this recent fix for E+ 23.2 (still an issue?), or related to this. I suggest you triple-check to make sure the inputs to the main (2m-deep) pool/loop/boiler are the same between both models you have submitted (I noticed the "Sciorba "Sciorba Temperatura AC Vasca" Vasca" values may have been different), and consider submitting an issue (while referring to this UMH post). Alternatively, you could try hard sizing EVERY input related to the pools, loops, boilers (i.e. no autosizing). Buona fortuna!

2nd EDIT: OK, likely not a bug; guess I'm just getting acquainted with E+ pool parameters. Got it working fairly well, with the following adjustments:

  • unless specified below, parameters are left autosized
  • many parameters were adapted from this test file (implementing this one)
  • max supply temperature (e.g. "Sciorba Temperatura AC Vasca" schedule, max boiler/loop settings) reset to 80°C
  • switched to continuously running pumps, modulating between a (low) turnover flow rate and a (high) heating flow rate
  • the turnover flow rate is set at 0.01 m3/s for the shallow pool, 0.03 for the deeper pool (~3x volume); adjust as you see fit (e.g. filtration)
  • the heating flow rate is maintained at 0.1 m3/s for the shallow pool, yet reset to 0.85 m3/s for the deeper pool; seems high to me, but maybe not that unusual (see page 165 of this thesis)
  • in any case, the maximum flow rate (in conjunction with the max supply temperature of 80°C) autosizes both boilers and pumps
  • IMHO, the deeper pool's temperature is more strongly affected by the envelope surfaces; something to consider before oversizing the boiler/pumps (if it's a new building)
  • both boilers are set as "LeavingSetpointModulated"
  • the loop sizing parameter "Loop Design Temperature Difference" left me guessing a bit; this would normally be the water temperature difference across a coil (not sure how this translates well to a "pool as coil"); left it at 53K (80°C - 27°C)

As is, the deeper pool is slightly underheated in winter, slightly overheated in summer. I defer to more knowledgeable E+/pool experts. I nonetheless suggest:

  • fixing the warnings/errors linked to envelope surfaces (the deeper pool seems quite sensitive to envelope/climate); I'd try to first rule out these issues
  • gradually transition towards hard sizing/setting parameters (flow rates, supply temperatures); sizing calculations are highly sensitive to these, which exert a huge influence on energy use (annual, peak)

Again, not a pool expert ... yet hoping this helps.